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http://popanime.net/megami/yabb/YaBB.pl Site >> Kismet Publishing >> Persona 4 Coming to PS2 http://popanime.net/megami/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1200072868 Message started by Brand on 01/11/08 at 12:34:28 |
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Title: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by Brand on 01/11/08 at 12:34:28 Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Quote:
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by CJ Awesome on 01/12/08 at 11:45:17 Well, at least this means I can put off the purchase of a PS3 even longer. |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by Kitsune on 01/13/08 at 07:52:56 I wonder what direction they will take with this installment. Will it remain a dungeon crawler or will it go back to becoming a traditional RPG? Personally I liked the Dungeon crawling with the high school atmosphere, it fit quite well and get them a lot of room to flesh out the characters and give the usual silent main character a way of not seeming so one dimensional. |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by mknzy on 01/13/08 at 08:53:51 I think with how successful P3 has been, they will likely keep to the same format for the next one. |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by Brand on 01/13/08 at 10:44:06 Kitsune wrote:
Even though the first Persona didn't have random dungeons they were very long and complicated and I like that Persona 3 reminds me a lot of that. Even the big evil corporation kind thing was in both stories. I wouldn't mind if it were like Persona 3. I'd say the biggest thing I would like different would be to have more control over all the other characters. The AI was pretty good in this game but still sometimes I wanted more control. |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by astroman on 01/13/08 at 11:14:06 I agree w/ Brand in the fact that I would like to have more control over the other characters but in the same sense, I think that only controlling "your" character lets you connect more to that individual person. And because of that I can forgive the other characters from making the occasional irrational decision because that's what people do in real life. Regardless, I'll end up getting P4 no matter how much they change or don't change the gameplay. |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by Isao Kronos on 01/13/08 at 21:33:08 i swear to freaking god persona 4 better have baofu or nate and not be a crappy dating sim |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by Tallgeese on 01/13/08 at 23:15:23 I wish it'd be 2D so we could get some interesting designs, but fat chance. |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by Minato Arisato on 01/14/08 at 09:44:29 Although I'd prefer it if Persona 4 was like Persona 3, I wouldn't mind a change in story as long as it's interesting. I should also add at this point that Persona 4 being on the PS 2 made my day. |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by Kitsune on 01/14/08 at 17:32:13 Isao Kronos wrote:
Isn't the world of Persona 1 and 2 a game in P3? Personally I don't mind the new faces, but I kinda missed a few of the older guys. |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by Brand on 01/14/08 at 17:43:21 Well, if you turned on the TV in the dorm a lot of the time they did refer back to Persona 1 & 2 characters and what they are currently doing at that point in time. So apparently P3 takes place in the same universe, but at a later point in time, and yet another a different city. It's also mentioned that Kirijo is some branch of the Nanjou family. |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by cj iwakura on 01/14/08 at 19:49:00 I don't mind the new direction the series took with 3(in fact, I enjoyed it), but I wouldn't mind seeing the old cast and (especially) the demon conversation system returning. Persona was my first experience with SMT, so talking with demons is practically essential to the series in my book. |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by Brand on 01/14/08 at 19:56:36 That is something I have missed in DDS and Persona 3. Though I don't think it bothered me as much in Persona 3. DDS it seems they could have worked in the demon talking system in many cool ways but it was to much effort to do. |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by Daio on 01/14/08 at 20:01:05 I think not having the talking system works in P3 and DDS2. In P3, the monsters you face aren't your Personae, and in DDS2 you can't fuse or recruit monsters (especially since your goal is to devour them). |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by mknzy on 01/14/08 at 22:38:29 I hope it really does end up on PS2, I don't have any plans to get a PS3 any time soon. Looking forward to it. |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by SHODAN on 01/15/08 at 01:17:03 Tallgeese wrote:
Sony haet 2D. :( Also yeah, less dating sim. And personally I don't like the high school thing either, tis why I liked 2 better since they were more "grown up" with jobs and spy devices and private boats with giant #1's on them |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by neonecron on 01/18/08 at 21:36:00 This is some pretty cool informatzione. |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by nel_jp on 01/18/08 at 23:19:43 I can't wait to see some screenshot of this series.. I love the dating systems in P3 and I wouldn't mind if the demon conversation is included in P4 as well, somehow its just fun to read em. ;D |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by Kitsune on 01/19/08 at 19:05:46 Personally I like the new conversation system where different people will affect how your fusions will turn out. The EXP boost helps. All in all I really don't have any complaints about P3. I mean as long as I scan my enemies and then tell my team mates what to do, I never have any problem with anything. Plus they are not very stupid unless you never scan your enemies or they are new enemies. The Dating sim was fun to be honest, it gave a nice distraction and really helped the story along just for the hell of it. Introducing some of the older characters would be nice but their storyline is mostly over. |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by Tallgeese on 01/19/08 at 19:59:46 Meh, Nyar was a cooler villain for sure. |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by Kitsune on 01/20/08 at 07:22:52 It would be pretty boring if they just kept bringing him back all the time. |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by Tallgeese on 01/20/08 at 08:29:28 ...How do you figure? Every SMT game since 1 has brought back the same foes. |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by Kitsune on 01/20/08 at 11:14:55 YHVH was not in Nocturne, unless you went for the true demon ending. Same enemies is one thing but I would personally get bored having to chase after Nyar especially since technically he can't be killed off so there really is no point to fighting him. |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by Tallgeese on 01/21/08 at 04:25:31 That depends on if you consider Kagutsuchi something like Shaddai, Elohim, etc. And this is kind of the point. No SMT creature really dies, they get revived in a cycle. YHVH for example comments he'll be back no matter what. |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by Sir_Asura on 01/22/08 at 03:31:34 Personally, I found Persona 3 to be hollow compared to what it potentially promised. While Persona 2 didn't exactly do a great job borrowing from the Jungian philosophy the sub-series gets its name from, it did a far better job providing a partially thought provoking game. I found the threat of the "shadows" to be entirely stupid and vapid. Mitsuru's mid game explanation for their existence was pretty moronic, and the simulation aspects of Persona 3 became much more important than anything that traditionally fueled the gaming experience. The shadow versions of the protagonists found in Innocent Sin is a much more accurate use of the duality between Shadow and Persona. Using the name shadow to describe creepy crawlies of the night that prey on one's fears and insecurities, mmmm, not as good. Role playing through the lens of how "other high schoolers perceive me" is definitely not as fun or fulfilling as role playing in a world, damaged so much by the collective negativity of humanity, that rumors can become reality. Yes, the Persona is a mask. No, I don't see how my popularity on the swim team taps into my ability to identify and draw power from classical archetypes. I honestly hope that for Persona 4's success it doesn't abandon the new mechanics that have been introduced to the series, but I really want to play a game that isn't driven by a school calendar. Atlus could also be more thoughtful in its selection of mythologies. Some characters' Personae were more or less minor entities (ex. Ken using kala nemi) and drawing from castor and pollux made (at least for me) an incredibly easy prediction as to Shinjiro's ultimate fate. Obviously the game has worked out very well--it's probably the most popular SMT title that's reached stateside to date? I think that it did a lot of good things, but wish that in doing them, it hadn't made it so hard for sequels to reach out to older players without abandoning those who just got acquainted to SMT with Persona 3. I mean... I found the game very easy compared to Nocturne and even DDS. A lot of first comers think it's very difficult. I just don't want to see Persona 4 become a game that exists just to please a surprisingly receptive market. Also, wouldn't it be hilarious if one of the driving reasons to release this game on PS2 was so that the developers could recycle the same demon graphics we've been seeing since Nocturne? I can honestly see it happening. |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by Tallgeese on 01/22/08 at 05:23:52 What's funny is that a bunch of the archetypes don't seem to make sense... what is Lucifer doing in Star? |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by Sir_Asura on 01/22/08 at 16:46:08 Yeah, it is a stretch for Star Lucifer to work. Of course, I am not as upset by the arbitrary Tarot classifications because the arcana simply function as a means of organization and are just kind of a dumb bit of "game mechanics." There's, to my knowledge, zero connection between that aspect of the game and the connections to Jungian philosophy, where the archetyping gets its most strength. I also forgot to mention in my above post, what happened to playing with the idea of the collective unconscious? I mean seriously, that's game fodder right there--want a strong glue to bind and rehabilitate bs rpg cliches, collective unconscious, you're my bff. For serious. It's from the collective unconscious that we get our archetypal heroes that span cross-cultural barriers. The whole card aspect of the game I am pretty indifferent to. I think it organizes the game nicely, but is generally fluffy and unnecessary. The exclusivity of persona to characters was a nice change in Persona 3, because it allowed for those characters to have a more important connection to their personae, but that was ultimately ruined by the thoughtless connections between character and persona. Junpei and Hermes? Mmm, don't get it? Maybe I can see Yukari's connection, since she felt bonded to fate, blah blah. If each character were to be exclusively bound to a Persona, I could see the card system going out the door. Of course, that could eliminate an entire aspect of "monster collecting" from the game, but there's no reason the Velvet Room couldn't function in other ways. If the evoker were to return, why couldn't the monster collecting system revolve around that? Monsters could perhaps be classified like they were in Nocturne. Or if the Tarot system is to stay in tact, then I would prefer to see certain arcana reacting better to certain personalities like in Persona 2. It could get really elaborate, with the social link system getting combined with the Velvet Room system of the older incarnations of the series. |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by Tallgeese on 01/23/08 at 02:44:22 Or we can simply wipe out the whole Social Link system entirely and go right back to smething like Persona 2, or maybe a micture of 1 and 2 here each monster's card has a value in a certain arcanum attached to it or something, and if you get certain cards you can summon certain Personae besides gour store bought ones. But eh. Also I feel that P3's interface is an utter atrocity. |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by Sir_Asura on 01/23/08 at 16:55:03 Yeah, P3's interface would've been cool (maybe) if it were some trendy touch screen action on the DS. Not the case. I am amused by how it enamored itself with so many reviewers. I mean, it's pretty--pretty superfluous. I always felt like the item organization was cumbersome. Hell, even Pokemon does a better job organizing the player's inventory. |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by OneWingedSin on 02/19/08 at 12:05:43 Tallgeese wrote:
Because Lucifer was the fire bringer... there's a bit more than 'Lucifer is evil' when it comes to the mythology that surrounds that particular being. Even if 'evil' he's the one that gave knowledge to the human race (going by some things). |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by EzraSolomon on 02/19/08 at 21:29:45 OneWingedSin wrote:
Because Lucifer was the fire bringer... there's a bit more than 'Lucifer is evil' when it comes to the mythology that surrounds that particular being. Even if 'evil' he's the one that gave knowledge to the human race (going by some things).[/quote] >> Lucifer, Lightbringer, Morningstar whose "sin" was Pride, being the best of all angels God created. |
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Title: Re: Persona 4 Coming to PS2 Post by Icymelon on 02/24/08 at 19:57:51 Meh, I'm holding out for another addition to the main series. I'd pretty much have to buy a PS3 for SMT4. |
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