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http://popanime.net/megami/yabb/YaBB.pl Games >> Persona >> Why does Persona 3 suck? http://popanime.net/megami/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1213123740 Message started by H3at on 06/10/08 at 14:48:59 |
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Title: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by H3at on 06/10/08 at 14:48:59 I finally finished P3:FES a few days ago and I must say that I hated it.I spent the first hour watching poorly animated cut scenes and then, when the game finally gives you control you spend hours upon hours in the Sim portion of the game.All of the NPCs are cliched stereotypes of characters in every animu series ever.The game (and the dating sim in general) pretends to be non-linear by giving you a lot choices, but most of them lead to a "But Thou Must" moment.Most of the time you can max out the s.links by blindly choosing any option.The dating sim is tedious, shallow and contrived. Persona 3 also dumbed the battles down even further.Giving full turns for hitting an opponent's weakness means almost every regular random encounter can be won before the enemy attacks.It doesn't help that it's extremely easy to surprise attack the enemies.The majority of the bosses can be defeated easily, since most of them aren't immune to status ailments.Heck, I went through the entire game by myself, except when the game forces you to use your retarded party members.This is definitely the easiest Persona game ever. The easiest of battles makes climbing up the Copypasta dungeon even more of a chore.Tartar sauce is the most bland and boring randomly-generated dungeon I've ever played through.You climb fifteen, twenty, thirty stories of the same floors and the same enemies to finally reach a boss and a transition to the semi-harder enemies beyond, thinking you'll be able to press your skills and see how far you can go...and then you'll run into a wall. Literally.To prevent you from continuing on in the dungeon, the developers decided to place barriers and only open those barriers after you advance the story. The melodramatic story has a super slow pacing due to plot events happening every full moon.The translation uses honorifics with English sentences and words, it's too funny. Atlus is basically appealing to idiot Wapanese kids.The music is a melange of the most atrocious J-Pop garbage that my ears have ever been assaulted with and a grab bag of terrible and decent voice over work.To summon their Personas these kids commit pseudo-suicide using toy guns.It's like Deathnote's "what do you mean its not symbolic?!" moments. This game is thrash and I am glad that was able to sell it to friend for most of the cost. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Sir_Asura on 06/10/08 at 15:53:31 Good job. Every one of your sentiments has been expressed ad nauseam throughout this forum. Unfortunately for you, the majority of gamers disagree, whether or not the original Persona fan base likes or dislikes P3. Obviously, from what I've posted here, I mostly agree with you. There is a huge list of things that I think are fairly ridiculous about this game, but Atlus has pushed this franchise onto a larger audience and has gotten excellent results. You can expect for the series to develop off of P3 from here on out, so look on the bright side--you either can keep those 50 bucks you would've spent on P4 and buy something useful, or you can suck it up and realize that honestly, you've probably played a lot of worse games and enjoyed them. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Tallgeese on 06/10/08 at 15:58:06 There's actually a great topic on Gamefaqs about how hard it is to get people to hate you. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Choooo on 06/10/08 at 16:51:12 Weeaboos. Weeaboos are why P3 is popular. That is the only explanation I can find. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Sir_Asura on 06/10/08 at 16:53:25 Quote:
That is one of the funnier aspects of the game. Of course, an unexpected hug can upset just about anyone it seems. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by RMarques on 06/10/08 at 19:34:46 Yes, we get it, Persona 3 is bad and Atlus should feel bad, and the people that like it are all drooling idiotic weaboos. Now, can we please have a discussion about the Persona series that does NOT include how bad Persona 3 is at some point? Please? As someone that enjoyed the past Megaten games AND Persona 3, this is really getting tiring. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Apollo62 on 06/10/08 at 23:58:39 RMarques wrote:
Agreed. I agree with just about everything everyone said, but I still think it was a good game and in the end I guess I would take any Persona over no Persona. Should it have been dark and serious like the originals? Yes. Did Tartarus and the S-links get boring and redundant? Absolutely. Yet, like I said, I think I would take anything over nothing(and I'm sure I'm probably alone in that sentiment). Hopefully they'll improve all those aspects, and I'm sure they will. But let me tell you I'm gonna buy the next one no matter what. Just like I buy all SMT games, 'cause they're the best damn games around. Sometimes there's Hits and Sometimes there's misses, just because this might have been a SMT miss doesn't mean it's the worst thing ever. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Choooo on 06/11/08 at 00:13:36 RMarques wrote:
It isn't because Persona 3 isn't a good Persona game (which it isn't), it's that Persona 3 isn't a very good game at all. e: For real though, would you have actually played the game if it were set in America and did not have anime artwork? What if the terrible rap music had been terrible US rap instead of terrible Japanland rap? |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by biggsyke on 06/11/08 at 01:11:24 I definitely prefer the story and gameplay of P2 over P3. Fusion spells > Mix Raids. Tartarus was boring, and the city map was repetitive. There were just so many more things to do in P2. I liked the contact system and Nyar is just more awesome than Nyx. When I was playing P3 and found out Nyx was the boss and some ultimate baddie that couldn't be defeated, I was like "really...huh?" She was pretty high ranking in the SMT games, but boss worthy? I guess it made sense plotwise. I do really like P3's characters, but Tatsuya and Maya were better MCs. And Guido...come on...Guido the Japanese Italian Persona wielding zombie. Now, does anyone have any idea what Nameless is talking about in these pictures? +bonus pics! http://imgplace.com/image_bin/5464/1f5550ea019b630994671d589c6e1b3d.JPG.th.jpg (http://imgplace.com/image/view/1f5550ea019b630994671d589c6e1b3d) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/3148/c16d13f02ceeeb1ce8f884d727c9acbe.JPG.th.jpg (http://imgplace.com/image/view/c16d13f02ceeeb1ce8f884d727c9acbe) |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Sir_Asura on 06/11/08 at 01:27:35 It's not that Nyx was the final boss.... It was "Nyx Avatar." In other words, Death took on the "persona" of Nyx, or something like that. It simply assumed an identity in order to manifest in the world, blah, blah, blah. In the "Answer" death takes on the form of Erebus--same entity as Nyx really, just a new avatar. At least that's how I read into it. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Tallgeese on 06/11/08 at 01:39:59 THANK YOU. Screw this Nyx bullshit. All everyone needs is more Nyarlathotep. They managed to sneak him into the role of P1 villain without naming him explicitly, I have no idea why they couldn't do it again. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Choooo on 06/11/08 at 01:43:59 Um why would you want an actual character as a villain when you can have a mindless incarnation of death? That's much better, and far more compelling. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Sir_Asura on 06/11/08 at 01:49:18 I'm surprised nobody has bitched about the absence of Philemon yet... or did we all just read into those stupid butterflies as his "presence?" |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Tallgeese on 06/11/08 at 02:41:06 Choooo wrote:
...I realy hope you're kidding. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Apollo62 on 06/11/08 at 02:41:40 Sir_Asura wrote:
I know I did, but that was obviously wishful thinking. I've read that after the ultimate battle in P2 they left this world or decided to take a step back, but I don't know where anybody got that idea!? I mean, where the hell were they? Really, how do you make a Persona game without at least Philemon? |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by H3at on 06/11/08 at 02:56:37 Apollo62 wrote:
So, basically you are one of those people who would buy any crap that Atlus releases. biggsyke wrote:
Nameless has an obsession for numbers and talks about various subjects (mostly about personality). Choooo wrote:
Generic cosmic horror bosses FTW |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Apollo62 on 06/11/08 at 03:17:44 I never said I was a fan of everything Atlus published, I just meant the SMT franchise. As for buying the next one no matter what, I meant Persona 4. Sure P3 had it's flaws, I've already agreed on that tangent, but I have faith that there will be improvements in the next installment. Trying to get me to cop to bieng a fan of everything Atlus has Localized!? Nice try ;D If I agreed to that , then I would have to stand tall and welcome the flames! And to answer your question choooo, in regards to my first post, if it was set in America I would be an even bigger fan. Even without the anime portraits. I am no japanophile, I drive a jeep wrangler for christ sake. I am a nationalist through and through. I just happen to be a fan of some things japanese. Don't act like your not! As for the crappy American rap battle music, that might have been a dealbreaker ;) |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by RMarques on 06/11/08 at 04:38:28 Choooo wrote:
Neither was the first Persona, and I don't see everyone running their mouths about it. I'm just tired of seeing a bunch of people running their mouths about how much they hate this game, and yet, instead of doing the logical thing and, you know, go talk about the Persona games they do like, they decide to keep going at it. Seriously, we get it, it's been said over and over again, move the hell on. Choooo wrote:
If I had access to it? Yep, I probably would have. I'd just turn off the sound and continue on my merry way. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Alizarin on 06/11/08 at 06:13:34 I love this thread. Its a shame I missed it when it was made. Not that it matters, h3at mostly addressed my complaints. Not that it matters, because as Sir Asura said, its already been complained about elsewhere. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Alizarin on 06/11/08 at 06:13:53 Alizarin wrote:
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Choooo on 06/11/08 at 12:53:33 Quote:
Persona 1 actually had a good battle system, which is more than P3 can say. Quote:
If you're tired of people having the gall to complain about a crappy game, the logical thing would be to not read their posts. Try it! Your fragile ego will thank you for it! Quote:
Liar. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by RMarques on 06/11/08 at 14:17:43 Choooo wrote:
Meh, I found both pretty average. Although I suppose P1 does deserve more credit for the demon contact system. Choooo wrote:
At the bolded part: Touché. I'll concede on that point. At the part about my ego: I'm sorry, did I give any impression of being affected personally, or something? Because I'm really not... Annoyed, sure, but other than that... Quote:
*shrugs* Oh well, guess we'll just have to leave it at that. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Ayato on 06/13/08 at 21:22:07 I don't mind the gameplay that much, but the storyline/atmosphere/characters didn't cut it for me. Which is one of the major reasons I play these games. It's not the end of the world for the series....just a slight misfire. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by H3at on 06/14/08 at 17:29:21 Persona 4 looks like it'll be just as godawful as P3.The main protagonist is an Akihiko lookalike with a stupid haircut.Yousuke and Chie are basically poor copies of Eikichi and Lisa from P2.The shallow dating sim returns along with the dumbed down and broken battle system.Shoji Meguro is going to do the same shitty music again.Is there any real difference between Persona 4 and Persona 3? I mean this game is being released barely a year after FES.I know the moronic Japanophile fanbase will eat it up though... |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Sir_Asura on 06/14/08 at 22:19:53 [edit]It is for me...Persona 4 looks like it'll be just as terrible as P3.The main protagonist is an Akihiko lookalike with a stupid haircut.Yousuke and Chie are basically poor copies of Eikichi and Lisa from P2.The shallow dating sim returns along with the dumbed down and broken battle system.Shoji Meguro is going to do the same shitty music again.Is there any real difference between Persona 4 and Persona 3? I mean this game is being released barely a year after FES.[/edit] Then don't buy/play it and get over it. You can't blame developers for imitating a success, and despite your gripes over Persona 3, from the standpoint of sales, it probably did better than anticipated. Of course they are going to want to please their growing/new fanbase and squeeze one more title out of a system they already have the junk to develop for (and I'm sure at this point, very cheaply). It's called making money. It's also called fan service. Sorry that it's just a little bit annoying that the "original" Persona fans are being "slighted," but honestly there was a fairly large hiatus between P2 and P3, so I think that gives the developers total reign over what to do, and also what audience to reach. The Megaten franchise doesn't have to be geared towards just one specific niche of gamers--Persona proves this--and in the end I think it'll benefit the overall picture. Personally, I think the comment about lookalikes/copies of previous characters is HILARIOUS--wtf do you think /every/ character in /any/ game is? When you start adding on sequels, you're going to get people bitching about "lookalikes." When you get the same artist doing the same series/project over and over again, eventually things are going to look very similar--especially in situations where games are being developed quickly in succession after one another like Persona 3 and Persona 4. For all you know, the dating sim could be slightly improved--for instance you choose who to be "romantic" with, so you won't have a harem of women most likely. In other words, a new dose of realism. Also, Meguro pleases a lot of people. You can't expect him to be canned when the majority of people playing this franchise has no issue with the work he produces. Fuck, it's not like you're dealing with Motoi Sakuraba (Notable for his work on the Tales of... series), who might as well never compose a "new" piece of music in his life because it all sounds the same. Meguro most likely achieves what is intended for these games--you can't deny that a lot of his tunes are catchy, please a jpoppy audience, and fit the "world" in question. I enjoyed a lot of the work done in DDS and Nocturne. His music is really appropriate for what he's trying to accompany in each game's world, so expect annoying shit for a high school. Honestly H3at, I'd like to know what franchises you enjoy other than megaten. I can't think of any rpg series that isn't more or less a rehash of its predecessors. Persona 4 is giving enough new to be distinguishable from Persona 3, and sorry, but it wouldn't really make sense for the game to pick up this many new players and then go LOL Persona 2 is how this series should be. In a lot of ways, if you're talking about a broken battle system, BTW, Persona 2 comes up in my mind. We're talking slow, frequent, cumbersome battles. Persona 3's system totally works, it's just easier than press turn, and perhaps not suitable for the more "hard core" gamers out there. But who the fuck would pick up a game that's a high school simulator expecting it to be hard core? Case closed in my opinion. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by H3at on 06/14/08 at 23:15:53 I didn't catch your post when I was re-editing my previous post... Sir_Asura wrote:
It's kinda hard for me to get over it when they turned a decent series into a generic POS.Anyway, I'm done with persona series. Sir_Asura wrote:
I'd prefer it if Kaneko would return as the art director as I find Soejima's style to be bland and unoriginal. Sir_Asura wrote:
Yeah, I found the entire system to be shallow and boring.It was made to entice the overweight weaboos into playing the game.It's sad that this replaced the Contact system. Sir_Asura wrote:
His music is overused...after awhile you get tired of it and like I stated before I found P3's soundtrack to be garbage. Sir_Asura wrote:
That's a load of shit.The battles in P2 were quick unless you didn't know how to play.In P3 battles don't even last a minute, because it's so easy to abuse the system. Sir_Asura wrote:
What is so hardcore about sneak attacking the blobs (which is VERY easy) and abusing the battle system so that they can never get up and attack? Or spamming status ailments on bosses and winning without doing anything else?It's clear that you don't know what you're talking about. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Sir_Asura on 06/15/08 at 01:00:31 Actually H3at it's clear that you're just being a self-indulgent whiner. I know perfectly well what I am talking about. BTW, there is nothing hardcore about P3's battle system or dungeons--reread what I wrote. It's obviously easy to sneak up on shadows and it's obviously easy to beat battle after battle with mulit-hit elemental attacks. No. Duh. If you brought back Persona 2 today, people would bitch about a lot of things. The battles aren't outrageously long, but they are long. The menus are cumbersome. You do get used to it, but let's face it, compared to RPGs today, most gamers won't dig it. It's DATED. The undersea dungeon still makes me feel fatigued--it sucked playing through that ugly, monotonous, beast. Frequent random encounters = annoying The funniest thing about all these people bitching about a "dumbied down" battle system is that basically that was the INTENT of the designers. They needed to make a quick battle system to counteract the slow rest of the game. It's a system of balances, and actually, it was designed to be abused. The whole idea of "ONE MORE" is so that you can abuse your opponent and visa versa. My complaint would be that this system is too black and white--you're either too easily screwed or you can go through the whole game relatively unchallenged. Then again, why do you think the Tartarus Guardian fights were fairly challenging in comparison to even story-based bosses? They were put there as roadblocks for you to deal with. Oh, but you read FAQs on gameFAQs and knew which boss had a proclivity to which status ailment, so nevermind. Most people wouldn't use status skills, as Mitsuru is the only one who spams them and there's a small chance she's always with you and a small chance you'll do what? Cast pulinpa on a boss? There's little precedent in RPGs for that, so who would assume to do it? So yeah, not every battle is exactly engaging, but the hardest foes made the battle system a challenge. If you think the people designing it didn't think that it would work the way it does, then you're downright out of your mind. Oh boo hoo, we lost the contact system. You know what, get over it again. The contact system was hilarious. Most of the dialog between demons and players was complete gibberish. Not only that, but it eventually boiled down to an incredibly easy, albeit incredibly time-wasting, convention in the game. Now back to Meguro--I'd ask you to listen to the Persona 2 soundtrack and tell me that everything there is just easy-listening. Honestly, there's about as much garbage there as there is in any video game. What do you expect? When has the expectation for video game music been that it must be track after track of masterpieces? Really, if that's your sentiment, then I must think the only thing you listen to is your collection of video game music bought off of otaku.com, but oh no, you're not a weeaboo, playing this high school dating simulation jrpg, my mistake. BTW, I actually didn't enjoy Persona 3 as much as I enjoyed its predecessors. Would I still recommend the game to my friends? Yes. Why? Because I've noticed that to a large number of people unfamiliar with Megaten, this game IS a huge challenge and IS really engaging. It's a good way to introduce people to a franchise. It's a good way to branch out to slightly different audiences. The Persona franchise in itself was basically dead when Persona 3 was announced. You should be grateful that Atlus even picked it up again. Plenty of game series that I feel deserve attention have instead been retired. It's perfectly acceptable then, in my mind, to try something new to revitilize a series. You sit on a title for 7+ years and what do you think happens to your fanbase? They aren't going to be fresh up with Persona 2 and earlier. You need to bring something completely new to the table--those who are still piqued by the game will come play and those newcomers without ridiculous preconceptions will get hooked. When you call Persona 3 a generic piece of shit, how many games have you personally played that are similar to it? Just wondering? It is a lot more shallow than its siblings, but on the US Market, I can't think of many things we've seen that are similar. Persona 3 took a new direction, it was juggling a lot, it dropped a few things, but it tried out a lot of other stuff. Atlus strove to find a new direction; it did; it worked, and now why would you expect them to not use it again? Things that we're going to see changed in Persona 4: Control over all party members More control over social links No more monotonous dungeons Puzzles in dungeons Deeper fusion system Weather system Already it sounds like Atlus is capitalizing on success. Really, I don't even need to waste my time countering each of your points. Let me just boil it down for you. If you're done with the Persona series, then be done with it and don't trash it--because what are you expecting? Most people here, as I said in my very first post in this thread, have heard everything you have to offer and more eloquently I may add. Second, there are, I'm assuming, at MEGATEN HAVEN, of all places, a good number of people who appreciate P3 for what it is. So what do you want, a fruitless argument from them? Nothing's going to change your sentiment--that's why you need to get over it or just not overtly bring it up because what are we supposed to say? How are we supposed to make things better |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by biggsyke on 06/15/08 at 01:32:55 How sweet would it be to get an anniversary/best of edition with all three PSX games on one disc. With the popularity of P3 and the P4 hype, you'd think people would want the previous games available. I agree with H3at about Kaneko, why did he stop working on the Persona series? |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Sir_Asura on 06/15/08 at 01:41:37 I doubt it was purely Kaneko's decision--I'm sure a higher power decided, or he was being used elsewhere, etc. I mean, it's not like they got a new person to work on the game; Soejima did a lot of work on the previous Persona titles. Technically Kaneko still has a big hand in the game as all the older character models based off his designs are STILL being used. I bet they wanted Soejima's softer style to help reiterate the "new vibe" for the series. Personally, I think some of his designs are actually quite good. All of the Personae he designed are in my opinion much more intelligent than Kaneko's ideas. I mean... let's compare Orpheus to say P2's Helios? Kaneko would just like make a bondage high school. Soejima has both a whimsical and a grounded side to him that works with what Persona 3 was trying to incorporate--a simulation of reality and a fantasy. As for an anniversary edition--in an ideal world sure, but in our world that would probably just mean getting the really ridiculous US localization of the first persona, which talking about dumbied down....... |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by H3at on 06/15/08 at 02:02:16 Sir_Asura wrote:
I don't think any of the bosses in the game were challenging, maybe to someone like you... Sir_Asura wrote:
You're making stupid baseless assumptions, typical for a obtuse fanboy. lawl I never used a FAQ to beat the game.If I did I wouldn't have much of a right to call the game mindlessly easy, now would I? Sir_Asura wrote:
You're an idiot, did you forget that I stated I beat the game solo?I defeated most bosses with extreme ease abusing an Charm ailment spell combined with Charm Boost and Ailment Boost (on a low level persona lol). Sir_Asura wrote:
You could've fooled me the way you're fiercely defending the game. Sir_Asura wrote:
Yes, I should be grateful that Atlus released a mediocre game which I spent my money on without knowing better. Sir_Asura wrote:
Well, most of the people who post on this board seemed to dislike Persona 3 as much as I do. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Sir_Asura on 06/15/08 at 02:47:30 Whatevs buddy. Don't expect me to remember the majority of your posts because you obviously aren't pulling my track record into this thread either. I've trashed P3 a lot, but I just found your post irritating, so I played devil's advocate. There's nothing to be gained at all from agreeing with you, and why would you want to start a thread like this and not expect to get a dissenting opinion? At least be interesting. All you've managed to contribute is a rehash of P3 criticisms that can be read at just about any Persona/Megaten related board. We've been hearing those for around a year now. Of course I completely made up shit about how you play and think because it's fun, and because you can't expect me to lay down and die at the words "You don't know what you're talking about." HA. So I've been a bit of a troll, sorry. In my defense, I won't tolerate repeatedly being called (directly and indirectly) an idiot. There should be no expectation for anyone to respond amicably to angry posts. There are plenty of threads where I pulled up my gripes with Persona 3. They aren't exactly the same as yours, but they aren't complimentary to the game at all. I mean, almost any time someone has trashed P3, I have agreed and added my own two cents. Usually though, people are bringing up specifics, or content oriented issues. I think it's redundant of you to criticize the things you are criticizing because they are plain, generic complaints that any long time fan of any series can apply to a new game when it doesn't meet their standards, but instead seriously tweaks with the same exact ingredients that were in previous titles. I have never said, ooo my, Persona 3 was the bestest. I am saying that it is at the very least a competent effort by Atlus that has proven itself successful whether you want to believe it or not. You're the one being stupid to think that the game outright sucked when it garnered so much critical acclaim. Really, H3at, I didn't argue with my personal opinions on the game at all. I argued with you because it's selfish and boring to bitch about your personal opinion over a game that is successful. It's a fact that many people enjoy Persona 3. It's a fact that as a result a designer would be stupid to deviate from a successful formula. I go to design/art school. I think about things from this angle. That being said, I think it's perfectly acceptable to hate a popular game. I hate a lot of popular games. If you had made a thread that thoughtfully criticized this game instead of angrily reiterated typical arguments against it, I would never have initiated this little flame war. It's never really my intent to irrevocably piss off other members of this board, but I will never miss my chance to shut up a parrot. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by H3at on 06/15/08 at 03:38:24 Sir_Asura wrote:
You can't even spell "Whatever". LOL Sir_Asura wrote:
I thought that the remaining members of this board had good taste, but I guess I was foolish to think so. Sir_Asura wrote:
I know.I was on this board before you joined. ;) If you were on the old board then you have probably seen me around as well (under a different username). Sir_Asura wrote:
I don't blame you for responding the way that you did.It's in your very nature to be Atlus' toilet.Taking all the shit that Atlus pumps out. Sir_Asura wrote:
Well I don't see them anywhere. Sir_Asura wrote:
PROOF that you are a moronic troll. lawl Sir_Asura wrote:
Gloried bloggers pretending to be professional Journalists/Reviewers claim that a game is great after spending a few hours playing it.Don't make me laugh. ;D Sir_Asura wrote:
Are you sure that you are capable of actually thinking for yourself? You seem like just another mindless Atlus sheep. Sir_Asura wrote:
Then our intentions differ and you probably still don't understand. lmao |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Sir_Asura on 06/15/08 at 03:55:15 Wow, you just sealed the deal dude. I was on the old boards under another name as well, so, you're so out of luck. Granted, I didn't post as much as I do right now, but I lurked a lot. Not a single thing you posted in that "rebuttal" took anything I said in context. You just got a grade A, for asshole. Just so you know, since you've made it clear it is your intention to piss off others, there was a person by your name, who you should know since you've been around for so long, who was way better at doing that. I think I vaguely remember you two interacting--he was way more entertaining. A lot more succinct and full of conviction. Too bad he's banned from these boards, because I'd almost have fun fighting a flame war with a legit troll like him. If you could read and comprehend, you can easily find plenty of places where I put down Persona 3. Anyhow, I'm gonna roll outta this argument, because you're no fun. I only argue with people who are intelligent enough to actually get what I am saying (rather than utilizing dependent clauses from what I have said to try and piss me off) and who generally abstain from utilizing emoticons. Thank you. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by H3at on 06/15/08 at 04:24:22 Sir_Asura wrote:
lawl Sir_Asura wrote:
Are you really this stupid or don't you read any of my posts? I talked about the other "Heat"s in my introduction thread.The fact that I had to hint my true intentions for you to catch on is pretty sad. Sir_Asura wrote:
HAHAHAHA You don't even know who I am.I never interacted with Heat on the old board. Sir_Asura wrote:
You still don't get it, do you? lol Sir_Asura wrote:
I basically ended this pitiful joke topic by revealing my true motives because trolling you was kinda sad.You clearly fell for it (despite the obviousness of it), but your responses were dull. Sir_Asura wrote:
If you actually thought I was seriously arguing with you, then you're a retard.This entire topic was made because I thought it would be funny and it was. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Sir_Asura on 06/15/08 at 13:31:24 Look, I don't really care dude. I think what is painfully clear is that you shouldn't be here if your intention is to be an asshole and to troll and to make pointless topics and unproductive discussion. In my opinion, you weren't really doing any of that anyway. You totally were posting to be a whiny little shit, and honestly, you did take offense to my posts. You lashed out at what I said because it's probably a little bit of what you wanted and it probably made you a little bit pissed off. I doubt it was your sincerest intention to orchestrate a "joke topic." Your initial response to me totally wasn't spicy enough to be pure troll. Honestly, it was my initial intention to get you going, because I am sick of reading the same complaints over and over again, and damn, I succeeded at that. Now, if your deepest desire is to be a Heat wannabe, that's pretty lame. You should be more overt, and probably find a different means of getting off. You know, like porn or an actual girlfriend? |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by H3at on 06/15/08 at 14:42:52 Sir_Asura wrote:
Then why are you still posting? I thought you said that you're going to stop responding. lol Sir_Asura wrote:
Despite the fact that you said my posts irritated you and you're still responding to them. lmao Sir_Asura wrote:
How can you tell someone's true emotions over the internet unless it affects their posting style or they openly state it (like you did).How could I be offended by your posts when they provided me with lulz? lol Sir_Asura wrote:
Now you, one of the most idiotic people I've ever played, is suddenly able to recognize baits after falling for one? ;D I don't hate Persona 3 and my original post was constructed from parts of the most negative reviews (word for word lol) I found on GameFAQs with plenty of insults to it's fandumb. Sir_Asura wrote:
Heat's posting style is very different from the one I'm currently using.I have a purpose for using this style of posting. lawl Sir_Asura wrote:
This is coming from someone who supposedly "didn't care" at all. LOL |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Tallgeese on 06/15/08 at 15:50:14 ...Who is the above cacophony of failure? That "you can't spell whatever" jibe rang my alarm bells, because I know only |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by SHODAN on 06/15/08 at 15:58:21 I call it as SunTsu...or whatever his name was. What do I win? |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Tallgeese on 06/15/08 at 15:59:13 *Arouses your blank as a reward~* |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by H3at on 06/15/08 at 16:45:56 Tallgeese wrote:
rotflmao Tallgeese wrote:
Nope, not him.I'm probably the exact opposite of who you're thinking of. lawl Oh, and quit posting under your 2nd account...everyone knows that you don't have a real girlfriend. lmao |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Tallgeese on 06/15/08 at 18:30:28 Joke's on you. Brand, go ahead and check the IPs if you read this. Aahahhahahaha. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by bullman422 on 06/17/08 at 15:24:24 biggsyke wrote:
Wow! I can just imagine Atlus releasing "Persona: The complete PS1 collection" which includes: Persona 1 - complete with a better translation (none of this trying to pass of Japan as N. America shit) and a fully accessible and completely translated snow queen quest. Oh and Persona 2 - Innocent sin - complete and translated. Persona 2 - Eternal Punishment. Okay! Enough with the pipe dreams cause we know it ain't gonna happen. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by granitor on 06/22/08 at 21:16:36 bullman422 wrote:
Wow! I can just imagine Atlus releasing "Persona: The complete PS1 collection" which includes: Persona 1 - complete with a better translation (none of this trying to pass of Japan as N. America shit) and a fully accessible and completely translated snow queen quest. Oh and Persona 2 - Innocent sin - complete and translated. Persona 2 - Eternal Punishment. Okay! Enough with the pipe dreams cause we know it ain't gonna happen. [/quote] That would be sweet but I think all we can hope for is the next best thing. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by citizen zero on 06/25/08 at 06:52:03 I can say what "Burn My Dread" songs sucks. wtf, it sounds like a Frankenstein monster of a song which parts were glued together without proper reasons. Plus the way Yumi Kawamura pronounces English words is awful. She should`ve been using growling or some sorta indecipherable vocal type. ;D worst main song i`ve ever heard in videogame. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by biggsyke on 06/25/08 at 15:07:43 citizen zero wrote:
I like it... :'( |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by citizen zero on 06/26/08 at 14:21:58 and i`m not saying that anyone who likes it sucks, just what the song is really poorly composed and performed. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by SHODAN on 06/27/08 at 23:26:19 Burn My Dread (locks?) is one of the worst jpop game songs (well okay it's not jpop I have no idea WHAT it is) that I've ever heard, but note I don't really look for bad music that has japanese people trying to rap. ...I heard it on the Dracula Battle Cds though. Oh god. (I think it was them, it was fucking horrible) |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Serge on 08/02/08 at 23:18:01 SHODAN wrote:
Oh god, I think I've actually heard that before. I think I remember some of it going like this... It's been one hundred years since Dracula made his move, He's back, he's ready, coming soon, Dracula, you better beware, your time is through, Cause Simon is coming, after you, He's coming! Right now, Get ready! Right now, Beware! And.. in fact, I just found it, agh. The one I was thinking of, at least. http://castlevania.classicgaming.gamespy.com/Media/dracperf.html <- You need to do a file planet login, but, I think it's worth it to see how bad it is, haha. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Ikkaris on 08/03/08 at 14:31:49 While i do agree Burn My Dread is terrible, the intro song for FES is just awful. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Aleph on 08/04/08 at 02:30:13 I can't believe this... Dracula and the Belmonts are spinning in their graves... This is actually why Dracula keeps coming back. The poor guy can't fall asleep. I don't blame him. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Alizarin on 08/04/08 at 06:54:09 Aleph wrote:
I always assumed Dracula and the Belmonts were spinning in their imaginary graves due to the horrible art direction the Castlevania series took ever since SotN. Whatevs. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Serge on 08/04/08 at 07:12:13 Alizarin wrote:
I always assumed Dracula and the Belmonts were spinning in their imaginary graves due to the horrible art direction the Castlevania series took ever since SotN. Whatevs.[/quote] I really didn't mind the art direction too much up until... oh, Dawn of Sorrow, where everything just kinda went... uhh. Full blown anime, I guess? Bleh. I thought it at least looked somewhat unique before DoS and Portrait of Ruin, but then it went to generic anime to me. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by aerozero on 08/04/08 at 15:02:31 ^That's because Koji thought that Kojima's art style wouldn't attract the DS audience, so he switched to the cartoony crap lawlz Thank god he realized that that was a mistake, no more cartoony style in the next DS game. Also I enjoyed Persona 3, it's not like the other SMT games I've played, but it was still fun. I really wish they didn't get rid of demon negotiation though. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Serge on 08/04/08 at 15:07:32 aerozero wrote:
Ah, whew, thanks for passing on that information.. and in keeping on topic, I have to agree with you. Demon negotiation is just one of those things that made Persona... well, Persona, to me, but, ah well. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by citizen zero on 08/04/08 at 16:33:29 Oh, come on, they`ve replaced them with totally UNPREDICTABLE contacts with people (which are fun and innovating and could satisfy players with a Jewish King Syndrome)!!! |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by granitor on 08/09/08 at 21:02:23 citizen zero wrote:
What is "Jewish King Syndrome"? |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by citizen zero on 08/10/08 at 01:51:11 granitor wrote:
What is "Jewish King Syndrome"? [/quote] it is when player tries to max every stat, have every item etc (max all the S-links in this case). Jewish King is a kind of munchkin but he can be found playing games of almost every genre. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by 0kami7777 on 08/11/08 at 21:55:39 ^ I thought that was a Solomon reference, which would make perfect sense if we're talking negotiating with demons... |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Alizarin on 08/11/08 at 21:57:47 aerozero wrote:
So he thought that yaoi-bait wouldn't attract the DS audience? I think I like this DS audience you speak of. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by citizen zero on 08/12/08 at 12:25:08 0kami7777 wrote:
in fact, [ch1062][ch1072][ch1088][ch1100] [ch1045][ch1074][ch1088][ch1077][ch1077][ch1074] is a Messiah reference... |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by granitor on 08/12/08 at 23:30:58 I don't get the Hebrew or whatever, but thanks for explaining what Jewish King Syndrome is. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Aleph on 08/13/08 at 03:33:06 citizen zero wrote:
in fact, [ch1062][ch1072][ch1088][ch1100] [ch1045][ch1074][ch1088][ch1077][ch1077][ch1074] is a Messiah reference...[/quote] I think [ch1062][ch1072][ch1088][ch1100] [ch1045][ch1074][ch1088][ch1077][ch1077][ch1074] is Russian cyrillic for Jewish King. I can still remember some cyrillic from elementary school. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by SHODAN on 08/28/08 at 16:17:41 Alizarin wrote:
So he thought that yaoi-bait wouldn't attract the DS audience? I think I like this DS audience you speak of. [/quote] That's the only problem with Kojima's artwork. She's a great artist, but ask her to draw a masculine form and she just can't seem to do it. The characters she draws are usually beautiful, but it's just more of the same. It's like Tetsuya Nomura's work...all the guys and girls look the same every game, and he adds a furry (Red 13, Moomba, Kimahri). Amano's scribbles are even worse, nearly everyone's blonde with some indistinct face. ...wait, even Kaneko's people all look the fucking same. I guess it's some sort of japanese game artist trait or something. |
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Title: Re: Why does Persona 3 suck? Post by Sir_Asura on 08/29/08 at 00:18:16 Yeah, stylization can so often just mean stagnation. I do have to wonder though, in the case of these illustrators, how much of the consistency is their own limitation and how much of it is the result of producers choosing works that stem from previous successes. I mean, consistency is the crowning glory of an illustrator; at the same time it can strangle him. Personally I like Amano's work. I agree that there is a lot of similarity between his character designs, but I find his touch a lot more provocative. He's a far superior mood maker than other people who have led art direction in the Final Fantasies. I think FF6, for instance, would not feel the same without Amano's work. |
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