Megaten Haven 2.0 - Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch?

Kitsune Less Newbies Occultist Posts: 38 Gender:	Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? 01/14/08 at 17:37:30 Anyone know how this is going? I would like to be able to get my hand on this game and play it in english.
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mknzy Global Moderator Hell Biker Posts: 87 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #1 - 01/14/08 at 22:39:07 This is actually the first I had heard of it. Details?
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Isao Kronos Junior Member Remodeled Teacher Posts: 91 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #2 - 01/14/08 at 22:41:10 romhacking.net's forums should have info somewhere
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mknzy Global Moderator Hell Biker Posts: 87 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #3 - 01/14/08 at 22:42:21 Thanks! I'll look into it.
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Spider Bike Senior Member Posts: 350	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #4 - 01/16/08 at 02:02:39 Last I heard it was dumped.
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mknzy Global Moderator Hell Biker Posts: 87 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #5 - 01/16/08 at 11:01:11 If that is true it makes me sad 8^(
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Brand YaBB Administrator I Love Jack Frost! Posts: 269 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #6 - 01/16/08 at 11:20:16 Quote from mknzy on 01/16/08 at 11:01:11: If that is true it makes me sad 8^( Well I'm not sure he means dumped as in dropped or dumped as in the text has been ripped and now they can work on the script.
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mknzy Global Moderator Hell Biker Posts: 87 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #7 - 01/16/08 at 13:26:18 Gotcha, that is a good point. So clarify! Which is it!
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Kitsune Less Newbies Occultist Posts: 38 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #8 - 01/17/08 at 08:45:52 I am surprised that you have not heard of it before, it was pretty big news on the old boards. Appparently the Oracle of Maya went down for a while because of it.
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mknzy Global Moderator Hell Biker Posts: 87 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #9 - 01/17/08 at 12:30:31 Truth be told, I was so busy deleting porn spam on the old boards that by the time I was done with that I wasn't much in the mood to read anything 8^(
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Brand YaBB Administrator I Love Jack Frost! Posts: 269 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #10 - 01/17/08 at 20:42:03 Ok well I know I had a link that was relevant for it. Jikan no Forum thread
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Kroni Less Newbies Durgs lol Posts: 15 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #11 - 01/18/08 at 01:18:15 I do vaguely remember hearing about it. I have no idea about the progress, unfortunately. It's a shame, too, since knowing Innocent Sin's story can add so much to the experience of Eternal Punishment.
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Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch?
Reply #12 - 01/18/08 at 09:48:55

Quote from Kroni on 01/18/08 at 01:18:15:

I do vaguely remember hearing about it. I have no idea about the progress, unfortunately. It's a shame, too, since knowing Innocent Sin's story can add so much to the experience of Eternal Punishment.

Why? Was Innocent Sin some sort of sequel to Eternal Punishment? Or a sort of special edition?

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Louis Cypher Senior Member Posts: 299 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #13 - 01/18/08 at 11:25:45 No, it was the prequel.
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Daio Less Newbies I Love Jack Frost! Posts: 17	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #14 - 01/18/08 at 17:03:27 Thanks for the clarification.
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Radish Less Newbies I Love Jack Frost! Posts: 9	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #15 - 02/09/08 at 11:17:37 Nice to see this is still being worked on as of last November although I still think that translating everything over again is reinventing the wheel.
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Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch?
Reply #16 - 02/19/08 at 11:57:46

Uhm, the script has been translated for a LONG time now, another group did it awhile ago. As for 'sequel/prequel' Innocent Sin is the first HALF of the story, though they're both relatively standalone. I've also never seen anything where people are trying to patch the game, even though it has been completely translated (dialogue at least).

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Reply #17 - 02/19/08 at 12:18:04

Quote from OneWingedSin on 02/19/08 at 11:57:46:

Uhm, the script has been translated for a LONG time now, another group did it awhile ago. As for 'sequel/prequel' Innocent Sin is the first HALF of the story, though they're both relatively standalone. I've also never seen anything where people are trying to patch the game, even though it has been completely translated (dialogue at least).

Yes, they may have translated the script but there are two problems:
1) They didn't translate the people you can chat with around town
2) In in a script dump from the game, it's not going to be in some order like the story, bits and pieces can be in a lot of places. From what I gather the new English script would have to be inserted in the same order the original Japanese one came out. So that would still take time even if they re-use the other script as not everyone is going to translate everything the same word for word that make make this step even more confusing.

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OneWingedSin Less Newbies I love Philemon! Posts: 21 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #18 - 02/19/08 at 15:59:41 True. I guess it'll all have to be done from scratch again, and that'll be a LOT of work, and then you just pray you got it all right, since some things may need to be TLed in context.
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Brand YaBB Administrator I Love Jack Frost! Posts: 269 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #19 - 03/03/08 at 10:31:30 Here is a link to the blog for the Innocent Sin translation project: http://tsumi.wordpress.com/
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Reply #21 - 03/05/08 at 10:53:50

A double patch in the realm of Gideon would be cute.

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And yes I noticed what it was an example of, fact is your sarcasm was utterly wasted on me since I never mentioned it specifically. Try harder.

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...It's an old stereotype because to an extent it IS TRUE, as a lot of stereotypes tend to be to a point (that's why they exist, they tend to be an efficient generalization for many people). You can fudge the truth all you want, but while English is a popular secondary language in Japan it is not usually spoken too well. This isn't rocket science, not everybody is Akira Yamaoka.

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While I am guilty of hyperbole to an extent (though I feel it is justified, RPGOne suffered from a dry translation with similar reasoning), the point I am very amused to make is that you pulled an even worse stunt... Oh sure, like I believe this phantom 'everyone', who at best could possibly be a closed-in group of asskissers not quite unlike yourself, whoever you are. Like I'm supposed to take the word of somebody involved with this at face value, right.

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Reply #22 - 03/05/08 at 11:31:58

I can't believe translators still have their heads so far up their asses to make the L = R mistake these days. Lucca from Chrono Trigger should not be "Rukka"..Alucard from Hellsing is not "Arucard".. Making anal changes like that is a waste of effort. They could be taking time translating the script but no.

It's the reason I won't play the BoF 2 translation. ..well okay, the guy doing that thinks he's some sort of comic genius and is ruining the script with needless "jokes" as well.

Regardless this game looks cool enough, I'd still play it. And Tallgeese and I could go "hahaha look they translated that one wrong too", it'll be like playing a game of I Spy. GO GO DEPRESSING VIOLENCE

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Reply #23 - 03/05/08 at 12:20:33

Quote from Tallgeese on 03/05/08 at 10:53:50:

A double patch in the realm of Gideon would be cute.

Gideon Zhi seriously working on the Playstation? In your wet dreams.

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You can fudge the truth all you want, but while English is a popular secondary language in Japan it is not usually spoken too well. This isn't rocket science, not everybody is Akira Yamaoka.

That's funny. If you go around in Shibuya and ask for directions, they will answer you in English, even if you asked them in Japanese. I mean, I asked an old lady and she answered in perfect English. Maybe the stereotype was valid 15-20 years ago, but nowadays their English evolved "a little".

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Oh sure, like I believe this phantom 'everyone', who at best could possibly be a closed-in group of asskissers not quite unlike yourself, whoever you are.

From what I've seen around the net, many didn't even know about the project, and still they didn't complain about the script or the nomenclature. How many asskissers there could be out there going nice and cutie only because they want this translation so badly? I think not many, but strangely enough I've found trolls and haters only here. Figures. I guess Shadowsithe was right after all. No matter what you do, there will always be a shitstorm somewhere. Jeez, this place was so nicer before it went 2.0.

On the whole Meghid vs Megido question, here goes something interesting. Looks like both spellings are correct, and the tarots clearly state which one Atlus JP went for.

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Brand YaBB Administrator I Love Jack Frost! Posts: 269 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #24 - 03/05/08 at 13:28:04 Stop, with this argument or I am going to lock this thread. I moved the argument posts and locked them for a reason.
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Spider Bike Senior Member Posts: 350	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #25 - 03/05/08 at 18:56:51 I think internet arguments are more fun.
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Reply #26 - 03/05/08 at 19:18:05

Ryu... sigh, you don't shut up do you?

1) I never referred to Gideon working on the Playstation (I know damn well from what I've seen from Soul Hackers the odds of him completing a project on a console above 16 bit is negligible), I referred to how he released dual patches for MegaMan and Bass.

2) And? Your point is? One personal experience does not invalidate years of mistakes. You fail hard.

3) Your statement makes no sense whatsoever. How can they complain about the nomenclature in the event that they don't know about the project? Ahahaha, 'trolls and haters' coming from the guy who registered just to post filth in the vein of Aerdan.

Or we can take the path of least resistance and most sense, that being that Atlus JP is wrong about an non-Japanese transliteration of something, and... pretty much everybody else is right, similarly how that h in dhain is not usually there. This is not hard to grasp: THE JAPANESE ARE FALLABLE,.

Say it with me now, I know it's hard for your sensibilities but you can do it if try really hard!

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Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch?
Reply #27 - 03/05/08 at 19:26:53

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I think not many, but strangely enough I've found trolls and haters only here.

"Trolls and haters" are not what people normally consider "persons that speak out who don't agree with your opinion".

Just FYI. Continue bashing your head against the immovable slab of expensive Italian marble known as Tallgeese, or you know, you both can just drop it since this will go nowhere

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Reply #28 - 03/05/08 at 19:31:34

Quote from Tallgeese on 03/05/08 at 19:18:05:

Ryu... sigh, you don't shut up do you?

1) I never referred to Gideon working on the Playstation (I know damn well from what I've seen from Soul Hackers the odds of him completing a project on a console above 16 bit is negligible), I referred to how he released dual patches for MegaMan and Bass.

2) And? Your point is? One personal experience does not invalidate years of mistakes. You fail hard.

3) Your statement makes no sense whatsoever. How can they complain about the nomenclature in the event that they don't know about the project? Ahahaha, 'trolls and haters' coming from the guy who registered just to post filth in the vein of Aerdan.

Or we can take the path of least resistance and most sense, that being that Atlus JP is wrong about an non-Japanese transliteration of something, and... pretty much everybody else is right, similarly how that h in dhain is not usually there. This is not hard to grasp: THE JAPANESE ARE FALLABLE,.

Say it with me now, I know it's hard for your sensibilities but you can do it if try really hard!

You need to be careful about what you say. Mostly because he wont understand you. He'll just hear "blah blah blah "insult" towards MY MOST FAVORITE COUNTRY EVER blah blah blah. And then he'll summon ninja. How you may ask? The material components are unbroken pocky and an untranslated Naruto Manga (Now you can experience it the way the manga-ka intended!)

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Reply #29 - 03/05/08 at 19:36:18

...but those ninja, they're neon orange

Personally, ninjas that wear bright colors don't seem to do very well in combat, I dunno

...or maybe they're like neon vests deer hunters wear? "You must wear these to avoid hitting each other with your jutsu"

I assume jutsu is some kind of laser beam/Dragonball ripoff thing, I have no idea

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Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch?
Reply #30 - 03/05/08 at 19:38:32

Quote from SHODAN on 03/05/08 at 19:26:53:

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I think not many, but strangely enough I've found trolls and haters only here.

"Trolls and haters" are not what people normally consider "persons that speak out who don't agree with your opinion".

Just FYI. Continue bashing your head against the immovable slab of expensive Italian marble known as Tallgeese, or you know, you both can just drop it since this will go nowhere

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Reply #31 - 03/05/08 at 19:41:54

Quote from Tallgeese on 03/05/08 at 19:38:32:

Quote from SHODAN on 03/05/08 at 19:26:53:

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I think not many, but strangely enough I've found trolls and haters only here.

"Trolls and haters" are not what people normally consider "persons that speak out who don't agree with your opinion".

Just FYI. Continue bashing your head against the immovable slab of expensive Italian marble known as Tallgeese, or you know, you both can just drop it since this will go nowhere

http://www.c-dtags.com/largeimgstatue/293-100stfrancisofassisi.jpg

You get a +

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SHODAN Full Member I Wub Nodens-Wodens Posts: 249 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #32 - 03/05/08 at 19:44:03 I dunno, he just looks like he's going "What, me worry?" or something. But yeah, that's my ol' immovable slab of a pal, it's kind of pointless after a while to argue with him. I'd know, once I argued about politics with him for 4 hours straight
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Louis Cypher Senior Member Posts: 299 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #33 - 03/05/08 at 19:47:21 I laughed until the last sentence./
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SHODAN Full Member I Wub Nodens-Wodens Posts: 249 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #34 - 03/05/08 at 19:48:38 I'm just telling the truth! But that was back during the days when you agreed with mister "Dubya should be put on the nickel, what did Jefferson ever do that was so great" Nova
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Spider Bike Senior Member Posts: 350	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #35 - 03/05/08 at 19:50:08 lol
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SHODAN Full Member I Wub Nodens-Wodens Posts: 249 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #36 - 03/05/08 at 19:52:50 Oh that Tallgeese, HE WAS AN IDIOT...past tense. He's okay now
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Louis Cypher Senior Member Posts: 299 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #37 - 03/05/08 at 19:53:19 Ahahahahah. Well, er, Jefferson, uh... wrote a treatsie on how blacks weren't human!
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SHODAN Full Member I Wub Nodens-Wodens Posts: 249 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #38 - 03/05/08 at 19:54:29 A treatsie? You know for being so horrible that treatsie sounds pretty cute. Sounds like twinkie.
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Louis Cypher Senior Member Posts: 299 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #39 - 03/05/08 at 19:56:48 Wow I can't spell mommy!
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SHODAN Full Member I Wub Nodens-Wodens Posts: 249 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #40 - 03/05/08 at 20:02:13 ..mommy? That's a little creepy, son
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Spider Bike Senior Member Posts: 350	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #41 - 03/05/08 at 20:06:33 Quote from SHODAN on 03/05/08 at 20:02:13: ..mommy? That's a little creepy, son It's not creepy till I finish my drawing
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SHODAN Full Member I Wub Nodens-Wodens Posts: 249 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #42 - 03/05/08 at 20:15:28 OH SNAP... I was about to go into song but forget it. Also is Tatsuya's boyfriend or fanboy or whatever he is, in this game? Cause Tallgeese was all "He's gay" and I was like "...what, how do you know...do I want to know how you know"
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Louis Cypher Senior Member Posts: 299 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #43 - 03/05/08 at 20:18:08 Yes he is.
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Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch?
Reply #44 - 03/06/08 at 03:12:33

Wow, the blog has become quite popular, and I'm here for the second time. Shocked

Wasn't this site a little bigger the last time I've been here? I remember a front page, similar to Digital Devil Database. Or am I just confusing myself?

Quote from Tallgeese on 03/05/08 at 19:18:05:

2) And? Your point is? One personal experience does not invalidate years of mistakes. You fail hard.

To be honest, I have had the same experience. Wink

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Louis Cypher Senior Member Posts: 299 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #45 - 03/06/08 at 10:57:42 Brand switched forums since phpBB3 is crap and phpBB2 is simply inadequate bot protection wise. Wonder if it was the same woman. Kekeke. Here I was wondering for awhile if Ryu was you.
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Reply #46 - 03/06/08 at 11:42:13

Quote from Tallgeese on 03/06/08 at 10:57:42:

Brand switched forums since phpBB3 is crap and phpBB2 is simply inadequate bot protection wise.

Yeah, but wasn't there a front page? I remember something like a portal, but I could be mistaking it with BBS. Also nice how's finally got ridden of that "email me to ask for account activation". I remember I had a hard time the first time I tried to register and then, when the db was reset, I gave up to register again.

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Louis Cypher Senior Member Posts: 299 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #47 - 03/06/08 at 14:33:00 I... don't remember a frontpage.
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Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch?
Reply #48 - 03/06/08 at 14:45:52

There is this:
http://www.popanime.net/megami/

For a short time I did have some portal type page, but it didn't last very long, and it was years ago at this point. I've been meaning to update the site forever, but stuff like that has taken a back seat to the rest of my life.

I really didn't like the email for account activation either but it was the only want to stop uber spam on phpBB2 it was so bad. cry

So that's why the new board.

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Louis Cypher Senior Member Posts: 299 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #49 - 03/06/08 at 14:52:14 I know how that feels. I get things done in big spurts.
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Spider Bike Senior Member Posts: 350	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #50 - 03/06/08 at 15:12:42 Quote from Tallgeese on 03/06/08 at 14:52:14: I know how that feels. I get things done in big spurts. THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!
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SHODAN Full Member I Wub Nodens-Wodens Posts: 249 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #51 - 03/06/08 at 15:32:13 That's fucking funny because I was going to say that And he does get things done in big spurts NAWHATI'MSAYIN'
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Louis Cypher Senior Member Posts: 299 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #52 - 03/06/08 at 15:44:10 I worded it that way for you~
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SHODAN Full Member I Wub Nodens-Wodens Posts: 249 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #53 - 03/06/08 at 16:10:54 You're terrible making me walk into a trap like that.
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Reply #54 - 03/14/08 at 11:37:00

Ah the Large Bird still has his cadre of eager dick suckers I see...

Honestly, who gives a fuck what the translator(s) goes with? Aren't you happy to even see the game is being translated into English in the first place or are you so unaccountably anal you can't handle the presence of an 'h' in a spell name?

Talk about non-appreciative.

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Reply #55 - 03/14/08 at 11:47:49

Quote from DevilRy on 03/14/08 at 11:37:00:

Ah the Large Bird still has his cadre of eager dick suckers I see...

Honestly, who gives a fuck what the translator(s) goes with? Aren't you happy to even see the game is being translated into English in the first place or are you so unaccountably anal you can't handle the presence of an 'h' in a spell name?

Talk about non-appreciative.

Actually, I'm not happy. I can play the game fine in japanese. If I'm going to play the game in english, I don't want some sort of weeaboo wet dream of a translation. I'm sure people are appreciative the the translation, but the fact is, the translation is wrong.

The problem, is ATLUS jp made some engrishy mistakes, and the translators are keeping it.

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Reply #56 - 03/14/08 at 11:56:01

Quote from DevilRy on 03/14/08 at 11:37:00:

Ah the Large Bird still has his cadre of eager dick suckers I see...

Well when you've got a dick that big--

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Honestly, who gives a fuck what the translator(s) goes with? Aren't you happy to even see the game is being translated into English in the first place or are you so unaccountably anal you can't handle the presence of an 'h' in a spell name?

Talk about non-appreciative.

I personally give a fuck, because again...why are THEY being anal about spell names and "re-translating" them when they can just use the same spell names that THE EBIL ATLUS USA (PS: they're translators too FYI, just being paid) already were using?

They could use that time to translate the story/script. It's just pointless and being anal about japanese, which usually is an either/or type of thing in the first place.

It's just a shame because most translators are either anal, add their own sense of "comedy" (which is incredibly skewed), or are complete assholes.

For instance, the Chrono Trigger retranslation was something I was very much looking forward to. They did a great job, yes, but the shit like "Queen Leene-sama" and Masa calling Mune "nii-san" got on my nerves completely. They are in a medieval setting...why are they talking like otaku-fags? I could understand if they were in a japanese highschool or something. But they're not. And the -sama isn't even needed for QUEEN Leene. We get the idea that people respect her, she's the fucking queen. We don't need a suffix to tell us that.

Otherwise I loved the translation. But so...I have to be so appreciative of it that I should kiss their feet and not mention a word of critique to them? Fuck that. Too many damn people on the internet that are made of glass.

It doesn't help either when a slight critique is mentioned and some asskisser/whoever comes screaming that we're all "trollers and flamers" for speaking an opinion that isn't GASP positive. Paste the translation up on mommy's fridge and not the internet if you don't want critique on it.

TL;DR version = We shouldn't kiss translator's asses blindly just because they're doing us a service

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Reply #57 - 03/14/08 at 13:16:20

There's quite a big difference between a "critique" and being just plain nit-picky. The spell names have nothing to do with the storyline/characters/et al, yet people are pissed off at them for being too "Engrish?" The spell names aren't even supposed to BE in English in the first place, they're just made-up words/mantra like an incantation (albeit with some Sumerian/something similar basis). They don't even stay the same between series in Japanese as anyone who has played the Devil Summoner games can attest to.

P.S. You guys ARE flamers. You don't have to lie/fool yourself.

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Isao Kronos Junior Member Remodeled Teacher Posts: 91 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #58 - 03/14/08 at 13:28:41 I'm at the point where I don't care simply because of multiple factors including the fact I probably won't ever get around to playing it. And as much as I'm detached from Tallgeese and SHODAN, I see where they're coming from whereas DevilRy I don't.
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Spider Bike Senior Member Posts: 350	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #59 - 03/14/08 at 15:16:43 From now on, I am going to refer to tallgoose as large bird. Because it reminds of those 4chan threads a while back that were all "look at this white cat/running bear/grinman/excited black man/404 girl."
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Spider Bike Senior Member Posts: 350	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #60 - 03/14/08 at 15:22:49 Also: as much as I love this stuff, I'mma call it quits here. I don't think I could say a thing to make this guy change his mind. Not on the "flaming" issue and not on the translation issue.
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Isao Kronos Junior Member Remodeled Teacher Posts: 91 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #61 - 03/14/08 at 17:03:48 who the hell is DevilRy anyways? EvilRye?
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Spider Bike Senior Member Posts: 350	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #62 - 03/14/08 at 18:35:10 I didn't think so, because I figured him and michael were banished this side of the megaten fandom. You never know though. Actually, Brand would.
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Louis Cypher Senior Member Posts: 299 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #63 - 03/14/08 at 18:54:25 It probbaly is, considering otherwise I have no damn clue who the jackass is.
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Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch?
Reply #64 - 03/14/08 at 18:54:54

Quote from DevilRy on 03/14/08 at 13:16:20:

There's quite a big difference between a "critique" and being just plain nit-picky.

...that's what critique...is. Someone nit-picking something for having a flaw. Do you want the critiques sugar coated? I can do that too

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P.S. You guys ARE flamers. You don't have to lie/fool yourself.

Again I find this completely and utterly ironic coming from the people who only seem to be coming here to flame and/or troll Tallgeese and anyone who happens to agree with him

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Louis Cypher Senior Member Posts: 299 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #65 - 03/14/08 at 18:59:06 I'm more amused that you snuck in a reference to my penis size. You're a card, dear~
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SHODAN Full Member I Wub Nodens-Wodens Posts: 249 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #66 - 03/14/08 at 19:02:28 Well he was mentioning everyone wanting to suck your dick, I was just giving the reasoning for this.
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Louis Cypher Senior Member Posts: 299 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #67 - 03/14/08 at 19:03:55 That's sweet, it really is.
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Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch?
Reply #68 - 03/15/08 at 00:51:48

I kind of prefer imagining him as Big Bird... in bondage gear. lips sealed

Anyway...

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..that's what critique...is. Someone nit-picking something for having a flaw. Do you want the critiques sugar coated? I can do that too

A critique tends to describe something with a little more validity but I guess now that everyone with a computer with internet access is essentially a critic, I guess you're right in that sense.

So as ridiculously inane as complaining about spell names in a fan translated game is, it's probably more ridiculous that I'm trying to get you folks to at least seem grateful. I mean if it were me translating it for you lot I would probably just say "fuck it," if you're picking apart something as trivial as spell names I'd rather not go through all the trouble.

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Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch?
Reply #69 - 03/15/08 at 01:15:28

Every person on the earth with a set of eyes is a critic, oh bitter one. Don't need a license to be a critic/critiquer last I checked

And I still think it's more inane to blow this thing out of proportion, as you, Ryu, and assorted have done. Wow, we don't like that they're using the incorrect spellings, big deal. ...it must be a big deal from all the trolling we've gotten, though

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Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch?
Reply #70 - 03/15/08 at 03:48:54

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Every person on the earth with a set of eyes is a critic, oh bitter one. Don't need a license to be a critic/critiquer last I checked

No but it helps if your points and opinions had any validity. Pointing out examples from a translation of Chrono Trigger and equating it to the spell names not jiving with the NA release isn't exactly "critical" thinking.

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And I still think it's more inane to blow this thing out of proportion, as you, Ryu, and assorted have done. Wow, we don't like that they're using the incorrect spellings, big deal. ...it must be a big deal from all the trolling we've gotten, though

Here are some examples from this thread that don't exactly support your statement, as long as you're speaking for your whole little club, unless of course you're using the royal, "we."

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Stop, with this argument or I am going to lock this thread. I moved the argument posts and locked them for a reason.

Two posts down...

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Ryu... sigh, you don't shut up do you?

And as long as it's pertinent, I think this is rather comical:

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And yes I noticed what it was an example of, fact is your sarcasm was utterly wasted on me since I never mentioned it specifically. Try harder.
...It's an old stereotype because to an extent it IS TRUE, as a lot of stereotypes tend to be to a point (that's why they exist, they tend to be an efficient generalization for many people). You can fudge the truth all you want, but while English is a popular secondary language in Japan it is not usually spoken too well. This isn't rocket science, not everybody is Akira Yamaoka.
While I am guilty of hyperbole to an extent (though I feel it is justified, RPGOne suffered from a dry translation with similar reasoning), the point I am very amused to make is that you pulled an even worse stunt... Oh sure, like I believe this phantom 'everyone', who at best could possibly be a closed-in group of asskissers not quite unlike yourself, whoever you are. Like I'm supposed to take the word of somebody involved with this at face value, right. This is not hard to grasp: THE JAPANESE ARE FALLABLE,. Say it with me now, I know it's hard for your sensibilities but you can do it if try really hard!

This is funny since I don't think ryu or anyone else for that matter thinks that Japanese people as a whole race are infallible. This coming from the guy who mentions at every opportunity how everyone other than himself makes a straw man argument (ugh, it just reeks of HS debate team).

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You need to be careful about what you say. Mostly because he wont understand you. He'll just hear "blah blah blah "insult" towards MY MOST FAVORITE COUNTRY EVER blah blah blah. And then he'll summon ninja. How you may ask? The material components are unbroken pocky and an untranslated Naruto Manga (Now you can experience it the way the manga-ka intended!)

And the rest is like a long daisy chain of analingus ending in Big Bird, Hell Bent for Leather.

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Isao Kronos Junior Member Remodeled Teacher Posts: 91 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #71 - 03/15/08 at 03:52:14 at this point I just want either DevilRy banned or Tallgeese and Shodan and DevilRy banned so this bullshit will go away
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Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch?
Reply #72 - 03/15/08 at 03:57:56

Quote from Isao Kronos on 03/15/08 at 03:52:14:

at this point I just want either DevilRy banned or Tallgeese and Shodan and DevilRy banned so this bullshit will go away

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ryu who the fuck are you and why are you such a fag

Touche. Though I'm not ryu, I'd just thought I'd point out you're just as guilty.

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Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch?
Reply #73 - 03/15/08 at 05:09:59

Aahhaha, this guy criticizing someone else's thoughts as being non-critical. That's just rich. This coming from somebody who is likely the same guy who gave Michael ego-head at nearly every possible opportunity, and porn-suicided his account when his sex partner was banned.

I mean, if Heat got rebanned, why hasn't this 'fine' fellow (I apologize to everyone who can be normally considered a fine fellow for this gross misuse of the term)? I mean, consider where all of his posts up to this point have been and what they are doing from the FIRST LINE... honestly, just shut up. Your points are retarded, you stupidly 'dodge' anything that rips whatever you say apart by saying 'OMG NONCRITICAL THINKING/OTHER IRRELEVANT BULLSHIT HERE", and you just go on and on and on about jack shit.

That CT thing you just criticized was an EXAMPLE of a trend that SHODAN noticed, and therefore is valid uin relation to what she said. Looks like you're the one not applying critical thinking... no wait, I'm being too generous, you're not thinking at all.

Also, my 'fallable' comments were a mock with a point embedded, all you'd have to do is replace JAPANESE with ATLUS JP and you'd get the point, it was intended to be a stab at otaku chucklefucks. Considering the response I got I must've hit a nerve so maybe even if the default form wasn't supposed to be a mock it probably wouldn't be a strawman. Try harder, I regret to inform you that I am smarter than you by several orders of magnitude... thank God it's several as opposed to 'a few' or I'd be a drooling idiot. And I'm probably insulting my own intelligence with the 'several' part. Shows my modesty I think.

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Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch?
Reply #74 - 03/15/08 at 15:15:12

Quote from Isao Kronos on 03/15/08 at 03:52:14:

at this point I just want either DevilRy banned or Tallgeese and Shodan and DevilRy banned so this bullshit will go away

Never mind we just said the spell names being translated incorrectly is kind of stupid, which Brand even somewhat agreed with, then we get flamed to death out of left field from some guy who signed up just to troll and...well I don't know what his point was honestly, other than ZOMG YOU GUYS HAVE AN OPINION THAT'S SLIGHTLY NEGATIVE ABOUT A TRANSLATION PROJECT, HOW DARE YOU.

And now we're dealing with EvilRye (the "royal we" thing totally gave him away, well, besides the "find one of Tallgeeses posts and troll him"), who in the past helped cause giant flamefests with Michael (who is banned, coincidentally) and really wouldn't cause so much strife if he didn't purposely instigate. Besides, he's saying the exact same thing Ryu is, just with different words and less..well, less nitpicking about where letters are or aren't.

Sure, it's Tallgeese and I to blame. Right. Frankly I think I've kept civil, I haven't called names or made snide jokes, just called EvilRye bitter. Which he has to be, at least at Tallgeese, for going out of his way to revisit a board he purposely got banned from just to troll him again. Lol

Really Isao, a grudge because I changed L's to R's through a messageboard filter (because Alizarin mentioned it no less) is pretty god damned ridiculous, but that's okay, I'm used to ridiculous crap on the internet

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Isao Kronos Junior Member Remodeled Teacher Posts: 91 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #75 - 03/15/08 at 16:06:33 It's honestly not just that, it's a multitude of factors. That was just the straw+camel's back, etc.
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SHODAN Full Member I Wub Nodens-Wodens Posts: 249 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #76 - 03/15/08 at 16:49:18 Well, I'm sure X would like to know the "factors", since he's a kind soul and likes to make amends. He's the one that defended you during your spaz attacks when I wanted to outright ban, I'll remind you.
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HANGEDMAN Odysseus Less Newbies Try this on for size! Posts: 7	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #77 - 03/15/08 at 19:00:23 crickets so...what's the status on the innocent sin patch? ( ._.)
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Brand YaBB Administrator I Love Jack Frost! Posts: 269 Gender:	Re: Whats the status of the Innocent sin patch? Reply #78 - 03/15/08 at 21:01:11 ARGH! I'm just locking this. Stop it!
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